Part 4
Mark Noble, in his _Lives of the Regicides_, says that Owen Rowe was descended from Sir Thomas Rowe, Lord Mayor of London in 1568. In the Additional Manuscripts (British Museum), 6337. p. 52., is a coat in trick: Argent, on a chevron azure, three bezants between three trefoils per pale gules and vert, a martlet sable for difference; crest, a roe's head couped gules, attired or, rising from a wreath; and beneath is written, "Coll. Row, Coll. of hors and futt." These arms I imagine to have been the regicide's. If so, he was a fourth son. Query, whose? The Hackney Parish Register records, that on Nov. 6, 1655, Captain Henry Rowe was buried from Mr. Simon Corbet's, of Mare Street, Hackney. How was he related to Colonel Owen Rowe? I should feel particularly obliged to any correspondent who could furnish me with his descent from Sir Thos. Rowe.
According to Mr. Lysons (_Environs of London_, vol. iv. p. 540.), the daughter of Mr. Rowland Wilson, and widow of Dr. Crisp, married Colonel Rowe; adding in a note, that he _supposes_ this Colonel Rowe to have been Colonel Owen Rowe, the regicide. The same statement is found in Hasted's _History of Kent_ (edit. 1778), vol. i. p. 181. I should be glad of some more certain information on this point; also, what issue Owen Rowe left, if any, besides two daughters, whose marriages are recorded in the Hackney Register.
I am likewise anxious to learn whether there exist any lineal descendants of this family of Rowe, which had its origin in Kent; and thence branching off in the sixteenth century, settled and obtained large possessions in Shacklewell, Walthamstow, Low Layton, Higham Hill, and Muswell Hill. Through females, several of our nobility are descended from them.
TEE BEE.
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WRITINGS OF THE MARTYR BRADFORD.
The second and concluding volume of Bradford's writings, which I am editing for the Parker Society, is about to be concluded.
Bradford's _Treatise against the Fear of Death, with Sweet Meditations on the Felicity of the Life to Come and the Kingdom of Christ_, was printed by Powell without a date, by Singleton without a date, and by Wolf 1583,--the last two editions being mentioned by Herbert, the first of Powell by Dibdin from Herbert's MS. additions. If any of your readers could inform me where a copy of any one of these editions is to be found, it would greatly oblige.
I have also never met, after some years' inquiry, with the edition of Bradford's _Letter on the Mass_, printed by Waldegrave, Edinburgh.
Some of the early editions of Bradford's writings are very rare. I possess his _Examinations_, Griffith, 1561; and _Meditations_, Hall, 1562; both of which are scarce: as also the only copy I have ever seen (though imperfect) of the first edition of his _Sermon on Repentance_, evidently printed in 1553.
His _Complaint of Verity_ is of extraordinary rarity. The only copy I am aware of is possessed {450} by the Rev. T. Corser, of Stand, Manchester; and was purchased (I believe) at Mr. Bright's sale for 17l.
I should be obliged to any one who would supply me with any information about early editions of Bradford's writings.
Every one is familiar with the story that Bradford, on seeing a criminal pass to execution, said, "There goes John Bradford but for the grace of God." Can any one inform me of any early printed authority for that story?
A. TOWNSEND.
Weston Lane, Bath.
[In the British Museum are the following works by John Bradford, bound in one volume, press-mark 3932, c.:--_The Hvrte of Hering Masse_; also Two Notable Sermons, the one of _Repentance_, and the other of the _Lord's Supper_, Lond. 1581. On the fly-leaf is written, "A copy of Bradford's _Hurte of Hearyng Masse_, printed for H. Kirham, 1596, B. L., was in Mr. Jolley's sale, Feb. 1843. This edition by William Copland for William Martyne without date is scarcer, and I believe earlier.--R. H. BARHAM."]
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Minor Queries.
_Courtney Family._--I throw an apple of discord to your heraldic, genealogical, and antiquarian, readers. Was there originally more than one family of Courtnay, Courtney, Courtenay, Courteney, Courtnaye, Courtenaye, &c. Which is right, and when did the family commence in England, and how branch off? If your readers can give no information, who can?
S. A.
Oxford.
"_The Shipwrecked Lovers._"--Can you give me any account of the following tragedy, where the scene of it is laid, &c.? It is printed along with some poems, and appears never to have been acted. The name of the piece is _The Shipwrecked Lovers_, a tragedy in five acts, by James Templeton, Dublin, 12mo., 1801. I regret that I am unable to give any account of the author, but perhaps some of your Irish readers may be able to do this.
SIGMA.
_Sir John Bingham._--In Burke's _Peerage and Baronetage_, article "Lucan," it is stated that this gentlemen was high in rank in King James's army at the battle of Aughrim, and turned the fortune of the day in favour of William by deserting, with his whole command, at the crisis of the battle. A late number of the _Dublin University Magazine_ repeats this story on the authority of Mr. Burke, and it would therefore be satisfactory to know where the latter found a statement affecting so much the honour of the family in question, one of the first in my native county. The dates of Sir John's birth and marriage are not given, but the ages of several of his children are known, and from them it follows that, supposing the father of the first Lord Lucan not to have married till the mature age of fifty-five or sixty, he was barely of age at the time of the battle, therefore not likely to have been high in command. My countrymen are too much inclined, like the French, to attribute their disasters to treachery, or to any cause but the equal numbers and courage, and superior discipline, of their adversaries: but they have never done so to less purpose than when they ascribe the loss of that battle to a man who was in all probability not born in 1691, and must in any case have been a mere boy at the time. No peerage that I have met with gives the date of his birth, which would at once settle the question. It seems most unlikely, if such were actually the case, that the family, on attaining the peerage, should have revived the title of the gallant Sarsfield (whose representatives they were), and thus challenged public attention, always on the alert on such points in Ireland, to their alleged dishonour and betrayal of the cause for which he fought and fell.
J. S. WARDEN.
_Proclamation for making Mustard._--Did Queen Elizabeth issue a proclamation for "the right of making mustard?" And if so, what was the language of such proclamation?
AN ADMIRER.
_Judges practicing at the Bar._--A curious disquisition has run through "N. & Q." on the relinquishment of their sees by bishops, but I do not see that any of them are shown to have officiated as parish priests after quitting the episcopate.
Not that this is the point I wish now to put before you and your readers, but I want information on a somewhat kindred subject.
In Craik's _Romance of the Peerage_ there occurs:
"Percy's leading counsel upon this occasion was Mr. Sergeant (afterwards Sir Francis) Pemberton, who subsequently rose to be first a puisne judge, and then Chief Justice of the King's Bench, was thence transferred to the Chief Justiceship of the Common Pleas, and after all ended his days a practitioner at the bar."--Vol. iv. p. 291. note.
Pemberton, it appears, was dismissed from the Common Pleas in 1683; he was counsel for the seven bishops in 1688, as was also another displaced judge, Sir Creswell Leving, or Levinge, who was superseded in 1686.
Are these the only two instances of judges, _qui olim fuere_, practising at the bar? If not, are they the latest? And farther, if not the latest, does not etiquette forbid such practice now?
W. T. M.
Hong Kong.
_Celebrated Wagers._--I should be glad if any correspondent will point out any remarkable {451} instances of the above. The ordinary channels for obtaining such information I am of course acquainted with.
C. CLIFTON BARRY.
"_Pay me tribute, or else_----."--In Mr. Bunn's late work, _Old England and New England_, I find this note:
"We all remember the haughty message of the ruler of a certain province to the governor of a neighbouring one, 'Pay me tribute, or else----;' and the appropriate reply, 'I owe you none, and if----.'"
Not being of the totality reminiscent, may I beg for enlightenment? The anecdote sounds well, and I am therefore curious to know who the governors and what the provinces?
W. T. M.
Hong Kong.
"_A regular Turk._"--We often hear of people bad to manage being "regular Turks." When did the phrase originate? Though not a journal for politics, "N. & Q." will no doubt breathe a wish for the present sultan to be, in the approaching warfare, "a regular Turk."
PRESTONIENSIS.
_Benjamin Rush._--I found the following in an old paper:
"Edinburgh, June 14, 1768. Yesterday Benjamin Rush, of the city of Philadelphia, A. M., and Gustavus Richard Brown, of Maryland, were admitted to the honour of a degree of Doctors of Physic, in the university of this place, after having undergone the usual examinations, both private and public. The former of whom was also presented some time before with the freedom of this city."
The Benjamin Rush here referred to subsequently became quite eminent as a physician. He took an active part in the struggle between the American colonies and the mother country, and was one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. One of his sons was the American minister to London a few years since.
Can any of your readers inform me why the freedom of Edinburgh was conferred upon him? In 1768 he could not have been over twenty-five years of age.
INQUIRER.
_Per Centum Sign._--Will you kindly inform me why the symbol % means per centum: viz. 5 %, 10 %, &c.?
JAMES MILLS.
_Burial Service Tradition._--About forty years ago, a young man hung himself. When his body was taken to the church for interment, the clergymen refused reading the burial service over him; his friends took him to another parish, and the clergyman of that place refused also; they then removed him to an adjoining one, and the clergyman received him and buried him. The last clergyman said, if any friend of the deceased had cut off his right hand, and laid it outside the coffin, no clergyman then could refuse legally receiving and burying the corpse. Query, is this true?
May I ask your readers for an answer, as it will oblige many friends. The above happened in Derbyshire.
S. ADAMS, Curate.
_Jean Bart's Descent on Newcastle._--I find no notice, either in Sykes's _Local Records_, or in Richardson's _Local Historian's Table-book_, of the descent made on Newcastle in 1694 by the celebrated Jean Bart, whom the Dutch nicknamed "De Fransch Duyvel." Somewhere or other I have seen it stated that he returned to France with an immense booty. Perhaps some of your north country correspondents can tell us whether any record of his visit exists in the archives of the corporation of Newcastle or elsewhere?
WILLIAM BROCKIE.
Russell Street, South Shields.
_Madame de Staël._--In _Three Months in Northern Germany_, p. 151., 1817, the following, passage occurs among some corrections of the mistakes of Madame de Staël:
"She knew the language imperfectly, read little, and misrepresented the gossip which she heard, either from carelessness or misunderstanding. When she censures Fichte, who she says had received no provocation from Nicolai, for helping Schlegel to write a dull book against him when he was too old to reply, she must have been ignorant of the fact, that Nicolai lived and wrote many years after the publication; and that, whether provoked or not, it is far from dull."
I cannot find any mention of this dispute in Madame de Staël's _De l'Allemagne_, and shall be glad if any of your readers can direct me to the passage in her works, and also to the joint work of Schlegel and Fichte.
R. A.
Ox. and C. Club.
_Honoria, Daughter of Lord Denny._--I should be extremely obliged to any of your correspondents if they could give me the date of the death of Honoria, daughter and heiress of Edward, Lord Denny, who was married to James Hay, afterwards Earl Carlisle, on the 6th of January, 1607. She had issue James, second Earl of Carlisle, who died in 1660. As James Hay, then Baron Hay of Sawley, married his second wife (Lucy, daughter of Henry, Earl of Northumberland) in November 1617, the time of the first Lady Hay's death is fixed between 1607 and 1617.
AUGUSTUS JESSOPP.
N.B.--"Bis dat qui cito dat."
Rectory, Papworth St. Agnes.
_Hospital of John of Jerusalem._--Is there any book or manuscript relating to the proceedings of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem in England, {452} which enters so fully into particulars as to give the names of the members of the society and its officers about the year 1300?
C. F. K.
_Heiress of Haddon Hall._--Any one who visits Haddon Hall in Derbyshire, the property of the Duke of Rutland, is shown a doorway, through which the heiress to this baronial mansion eloped with (I think) a Cavendish some centuries ago. I have been informed that in a recent restoration of Bakewell Church, which is near Haddon Hall, the vault which contained the remains of this lady and her family was accidentally broken into, and that the bodies of herself, her husband, and some children, were found decapitated, with their heads under their arms; moreover, that in all the coffins there were dice. My informant had read an authenticated account of this curious circumstance, which was drawn up at the time of the discovery, but he could not refer me to it, and it is very possible that either his memory or mind may have failed as to the exact facts. At any rate they are worth embalming, I think, in the pages of "N. & Q." if any correspondent will kindly supply both "chapter and verse."
ALFRED GATTY.
_Monteith._--There is a peculiar style of silver bowl, of about the time of Queen Anne, which is called a Monteith. Why is it so designated? and to what particular use was it generally applied?
P.
_Vandyking._--In a letter from Secretary Windebanke to the Lord Deputy Wentworth (_Strafford Papers_, vol. i. p. 161.), P. C. S. S. notices this phrase, "Pardon, I beseech your lordship the over-free censure of your _Vandyking_." What is the meaning of this term, which P. C. S. S. does not find in any other writing of the period? Had the _costume_, so usual in the portraits by Vandyke, become proverbial so early as 1633, the date of Windebanke's letter?
P. C. S. S.
_Hiel the Bethelite._--What is the meaning of the 34th verse of the 16th chapter of the 1st Book of Kings? In one of Huddlestone's notes to Toland's _History of the Druids_, he quotes the acts of Hiel the Bethelite, therein mentioned, as an instance of the Druidical Custom of burying a man alive under the foundations of any building which was to be undertaken?
L. M. M. R.
_Earl of Glencairn._--Could you or any of your readers inform me of any particulars concerning the Earl of Glencairn, who, with a sister, is said to have fled from Scotland about 1700, or rather later, and to have concealed himself in Devonshire, where his sister married, 1712, one John Lethbridge, and had issue? Was this sister called Grace? Within late years they were spoken of by the very old inhabitants of Okehampton, Devon, and stories of the coroneted clothes, &c. were current.
LODBROK.
_Willow Bark in Ague._--I have seen recently some notices of the use of willow bark in ague. Will some kind correspondent inform me and others interested in the subject, where the information is to be found?
E. C.
_"Perturbabantur," &c._--Can any of your readers give the whole of the poem, of which the first two lines are--
"Perturbabantur Constantinopolitani, Innumerabilibus sollicitudinibus"?
These lines are singularly applicable at the present moment.
I am also desirous of knowing the history of this poem.
P.
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Minor Queries with Answers.
_Seamen's Tickets._--From an old paper, 1768:
"Feb. 8. Died at her house in Chapel Street, near Ratcliff Highway, aged 95, Margaret McKennow, who kept a lodging-house in that neighbourhood many years, and dealt in seamen's tickets. She is said to have died worth upwards of 6000l., and just after she expired twenty-nine quarter guineas were found in her mouth."
What are seamen's tickets?
W. D. R.
Philadelphia.
[The system of paying seamen with tickets instead of cash caused great discontent during the reign of Charles II., and, from the frequent notices respecting it in Pepys's _Diary_, seems to have given our Diarist great trouble. On November 30, 1660, he says: "Sir G. Carteret did give us an account how Mr. Holland do intend to prevail with the parliament to try his project of discharging the seamen all at present by ticket, and so promise interest to all men that will lend money upon them at eight per cent. for so long as they are unpaid, whereby he do think to take away the growing debt which do now lie upon the kingdom for lack of present money to discharge the seamen." These tickets the poor fellows sold at half price to usurers, mostly Jews; and to so great an extent was the system carried, that in the year 1710 there was a floating debt due to these usurers of ten millions paid by Harley from a fictitious fund formed by the government.]
_Bruce, Robert._--Can you tell me the name of the author of the following little work? It is small, and contains 342 pages, and is entitled:
"The Acts and Life of the most Victorious Conqueror Robert Bruce, King of Scotland. Wherein also are contained the Martial Deeds of the Valiant Princes Edward Bruce, Sir James Douglas, Earl Thomas Randal, Walter Stewart, and sundry others. To which is added a Glossary, explaining the difficult {453} Words contained in this Book, and that of Wallace. Glasgow: printed by Mr. A. Carmichael and A. Miller. MDCCXXXVII."
JAMES P. BRYCE.
[This work is by John Barbour (sometimes written Barber, Barbere, and Barbare), an eminent Scottish metrical historian. It has been said that he received his education at the Abbey of Aberbrothock, where he took orders, and obtained a living near Aberdeen. Dr. Henry supposes Barbour to have become Archdeacon of Aberdeen in 1356. It is probable he died towards the close of 1395. His poem has passed through several editions, and is considered of high historical value. The earlier editions are those of Edinburgh, 1616, 1670, 12mo. In 1790, Pinkerton published "the first genuine edition from a MS. dated 1489, with notes and a Glossary." The best edition, however, is that by Dr. Jamieson, with Notes, and Life of the Author, Edinb. 4to. 1820.]
_Coronation Custom._--At the coronations of Henry IV. and Richard III. a ceremony was performed which seems to indicate some idea of the elective sovereignty in England. The archbishop stood at each of the four corners of the dais in succession, and asked from thence the consent of the assembled Commons (Heylin, _Reform._, 1st edit., p. 32.). Did this ever take place at the coronation of English monarchs whose succession was not disputed?
J. H. B.
[In after times this ceremony seems to be that called "The Recognition." Sandford, speaking of the coronation of James II., says, "The Archbishop of Canterbury standing near the king, on the east side of the theatre, his majesty, attended as before, rose out of his chair, and stood before it, whilst the archbishop, having his face to the east, said as follows: 'Sirs. I here present unto you King James, the rightful inheritor of the crown of this realm; wherefore all ye that are come this day to do your homage, service, and bounden duty, are ye willing to do the same?' From thence the said archbishop, accompanied with the lord keeper, the lord great chamberlain, the lord high constable, and the earl marshal (garter king of arms going before them), proceeded to the south side of the theatre, and repeated the same words; and from thence to the west, and lastly to the north side of the theatre, in like manner: the king standing all this while by his chair of state, toward the east side of the theatre, and turning his face to the several sides of the theatre, at such time as the archbishop at every of them spake to the people. At every of which the people signified their willingness and joy by loud acclamations."]
_William Warner._--Where can any account be found of Warner the poet, the author of _Albion's England_?
I. R. R.
[Some account of William Warner will be found in Wood's _Athenæ Oxonienses_. vol. i. pp., 765-773. (Bliss); also in Percy's _Reliques of Ancient English Poetry_, vol. ii. p. 261., edit. 1812. From the register of Amwell, in Herts, it appears that he died there March 9, 1608-9, "soddenly in the night in his bedde, without any former complaint or sicknesse;" and that he was "a man of good yeares and honest reputation; by his profession an attorney at the Common Please."--Scott's _Amwell_, p. 22. note.]
"_Isle of Beauty._"--Who was the author of "Isle of Beauty?" I always thought Thomas Haynes Bayly, but some say Lord Byron. Not knowing Mrs. Bayly's immediate address, I send this Query. I much regret not asking her when I sent my volume of poems, with view of poor Bayly's Grove, Cheltenham.
L. M. THORNTON.
14. Philip Street, Bath.
[The "Isle of Beauty" is by Thomas Haynes Bayly, and is given among his _Songs, Ballads, and other Poems_, edited by his widow, vol. i. p. 182. edit. 1844.]
_Edmund Lodge._--Can you give me the date of the death of Edmund Lodge, the herald? I suppose there will be some account of him in the Obituary of the _Gentleman's Magazine_, to which I wish to refer. Was he a descendant of the Rev. Edmund Lodge, the predecessor of Dawes in the Mastership of Queen Elizabeth's Grammar School at Newcastle-upon-Tyne?
E. H. A.
[Edmund Lodge died January 16, 1839. An account of him is given in the _Gentleman's Magazine_ for April, 1839, p. 433.]
_King John._--Baines, in his _History of Liverpool_, p. 77., says King John "was at Lancaster on the 26th February 1206, and at Chester on the 28th February following." What route did he take from the first to the second-named town, and what was the object of his visit?
PRESTONIENSIS.
[Upon reference to the Introduction to the _Patent Rolls_, it appears that John was at Lancaster from Monday the 21st to Sunday 27th, from Monday 28th to Wednesday 1st March at Chester, on Thursday 2nd at Middlewich, Friday the 3rd at Newcastle-under-Lyne, and from the 4th to the 8th at Milburn.]
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Replies.
HAS EXECUTION BY HANGING BEEN SURVIVED?
(Vol. ix., pp. 174. 280.)
The copious Notes of your correspondents on this subject have only left the opportunity for a few stray gleanings in the field of their researches, which may, however, not prove uninteresting.
The compiler of a curious 12mo. (_A Memorial for the Learned_, by J. D., Gent., London, 1686) records, among "Notable Events in the Reign of Henry VI.," that,--