Part 5
These "Observations" contain much curious information; but are deformed by the author attempting to wrest the text of the Norwegian writer (at p. 358. and in note I.) to suit an absurd crotchet of his own. Having seen that essay in MS., I pointed out those errors; but instead of attending to my observations, he would not read them, and got into a passion against the friend who showed the MS. to me.
J. McK.
Shoreham.
_Lines on Woman_ (Vol. viii., pp. 292. 350. &c.).--The lines on Woman are, I presume, an altered version of those of Barret (Mrs. Barrett Browning?); they are the finale of a short poem on Woman; the correct version is the following:
"Peruse the sacred volume, Him who died Her kiss betray'd not, nor her tongue denied; While even the Apostle left Him to His doom, She linger'd round His cross and watch'd His tomb."
I would copy the whole poem, but fear you would think it too long for insertion.
MA. L.
[Our correspondent furnishes an addition to our list of parallel passages. The lines quoted by W. V. and those now given by our present correspondent can never be different readings of the same poem. Besides, it has been already shown that the lines asked for are from the poem entitled _Woman_, by Eaton Stannard Barrett (see ante, pp. 350. 423.).]
_Satin_ (Vol. vii., p. 551.).--In a note just received by me from Canton, an American friend of mine remarks as follows:
"When you write again to 'N. & Q.' you can say that the word _satin_ (Vol. vii., p. 551.), like the article itself, is of Chinese origin, and that other foreign languages, in endeavouring like the English to imitate the Chinese _sz-tuen_, have {18} approximated closely to it, and to each other. Of this the answers to the Query given in the place referred to are a sufficient proof; Fr. _satin_, W. _sidan_, &c. &c."
I suspect that he is right, and that Ogilvie and Webster, whom you quote, have not got to the bottom of the word. I may add that the notion of my Canton friend receives approval from a Chinese scholar to whom I have shown the above extract.
W. T. M.
Hong Kong.
_"Quid facies," &c._ (Vol. viii., p. 539.).--
"BIERVE, _N. Marechal_, _Marquis de_, a Frenchman well known for his ready wit and great facetiousness. He wrote two plays of considerable merit, _Les Reputations_ and _Le Seducteur_. He died at Spa, 1789, aged 42. He is author of the distich on courtezans:
'Quid facies, facies Veneris cum veneris ante? Ne sedeas! sed eas, ne pereas per eas.'"
--Lempriere's _Universal Biography_, abridged from the larger work, London, 1808.
C. FORBES.
Temple.
_Sotades_ (Vol. viii., p. 520.).--Your correspondent CHARLES REED says that Sotades was a Roman poet 250 B.C.; and that to him we owe the line, "Roma tibi subito," &c. Sotades was a native of Maroneia in Thrace, or, according to others, of Crete; and flourished at Alexandria B.C. 280 (Smith's _Dictionary of Biography_, Clinton, F. H., vol. iii. p. 888.). We have a few fragments of his poems, but none of them are palindromical. The authority for his having written so, is, I suppose, Martial, Epig. II. 86. 2.:
"Nec retro lego Sotaden cinaedum."
ZEUS.
_The Third Part of "Christabel"_ (Vol. viii., pp. 11. 111.).--Has the _Irish Quarterly Review_ any other reason for ascribing this poem to Maginn than the common belief which makes him the sole and original Morgan Odoherty? If not, its evidence is of little value, as, exclusive of some pieces under that name which have been avowed by other writers, many of the Odoherty papers contain palpable internal evidence of having been written by a Scotchman, or at least one very familiar with Scotland, which at that time he was not; even the letter accompanying the third part of _Christabel_ is dated from Glasgow, and though this would in itself prove nothing, the circumstances above mentioned, as well as Dr. Moir's evidence as to the time when Maginn's contributions to _Blackwood_ commenced, seems strongly presumptive against his claim. Some of the earliest and most distinguished writers in _Blackwood_ are still alive, and could, no doubt, clear up this point at once, if so inclined.
J. S. WARDEN.
_Attainment of Majority_ (Vol. viii., pp. 198. 250.).--In my last communication upon this subject I produced undeniable authority to prove that the law did not regard the fraction of a day; this, I think, A. E. B. will admit. The question is, now, does the day on which a man attains his majority commence at six o'clock A.M., or at midnight? We must remember that we are dealing with a question of _English_ law; and therefore the evidence of an English decision will, I submit, be stronger proof of the latter mode of reckoning than the only positive proof with which A. E. B. has defended Ben Jonson's use of the former, viz. _Roman_.
In a case tried in Michaelmas Term, 1704, Chief Justice Holt said:
"It has been adjudged that if one be born the 1st of February at eleven at night, and the last of January in the twenty-first year of his age at one o'clock in the morning, he makes his will of lands and dies, it is a good will, for he was then of age."--_Salkeld_, 44.; _Raymond_, 480, 1096; 1 _Siderfin_, 162.
In this case, therefore, the testator was accounted of age forty-six hours before the completion of his twenty-first year. Now, the law not regarding the fraction of a day, the above case, I submit, clearly proves that the day, as regards the attainment of majority, began at midnight.
RUSSELL GOLE.
_Lord Halifax and Mrs. C. Barton_ (Vol. viii., pp. 429. 543.).--In answer to J. W. J.'s Query, I beg to state that I have in my possession a codicil of Mrs. Conduit's will in her own hand, dated 26th of January, 1737. This document refers to some theological tracts by Sir Isaac Newton, in his handwriting, which I have. On referring to the pedigree of the Barton family, I find that Colonel Robert Barton married Catherine Greenwood, whose father lived at Rotterdam, and was ancestor of Messrs. Greenwood, army agents. His issue were Major Newton Barton, who married Elizabeth Ekins, Mrs. Burr, and Catherine Robert Barton. I find no mention of Colonel Noel Barton. The family of Ekins had been previously connected with that of Barton, Alexander Ekins, Rector of Barton Segrave, having married Jane Barton of Brigstock. The writer of this note will be obliged if J. W. J., or any correspondent of "N. & Q.," will inform him if anything is known respecting an ivory bust of Sir Isaac Newton, executed by Marchand or Marchant, which is said to have been an excellent likeness.
S. X.
[The ivory bust referred to by our correspondent is, we believe, in the British Museum.]
_The fifth Lord Byron_ (Vol. viii., p. 2.).--I cannot but think that MR. HASLEDEN'S memory has deceived him as to the "wicked lord" having {19} settled his estates upon the marriage of his son; how is this to be reconciled with the often published statement, that the marriage of his son with his cousin Juliana, daughter of the admiral, and aunt of the late and present lords, was made not only without the consent, but in spite of the opposition, of the old lord, and that he never forgave his son in consequence?
J. S. WARDEN.
_Burton Family_ (Vol. iv., pp. 22. 124.).--In connexion with a Query which was kindly noticed by MR. ALGOR of Sheffield, who did not however communicate anything new to me, I would ask who was Samuel Burton, Esq., formerly Sheriff of Derbyshire; whose death at Sevenoaks, in October, 1750, I find recorded in the Obituary of the _Gentleman's Magazine_ for that year? I am also desirous to ascertain who was Sir Francis Cavendish Burton of St. Helens, whose daughter and heiress, Martha, married Richard Sikes, Esq., ancestor of the Sikes's of the Chauntry House near Newark. She died since 1696. Both Samuel Burton and Mrs. Sikes were related to the Burtons of Kilburn, in the parish of Horsley, near Derby, to whom my former Query referred.
E. H. A.
_Provost Hodgson's Translation of the Atys of Catullus_ (Vol. viii., p. 563.).--In answer to MR. GANTILLON'S inquiry for the above translation, I beg to state that it will be found appended to an octavo edition of Hodgson's poem of _Lady Jane Grey_.
In the same volume will be found, I believe (for I have not the work before me), some of the modern Latin poetry respecting which BALLIOLENSIS inquiries. The justly admired translation of _Edwin and Angelina_, to which the latter refers, was by Hodgson's too early lost friend Lloyd. The splendid pentameter is slightly misquoted by BALLIOLENSIS. It is not--
"Poscimus in _terris_ pauca, nec illa diu."
but--
"Poscimus in _vita_," &c.
THOMAS RUSSELL POTTER.
Wymeswold, Loughborough.
_Wylcotes' Brass_ (Vol. viii., p. 494.).--I should hardly have supposed that any difficulty could exist in explaining the inscription:
"In . on . is . all."
To me it appears self-evident that it must be--
"In one (God) is my all."
H. C. C.
_Hoby, Family of; their Portraits, &c_. (Vol. viii., p. 244.).--I would refer J. B. WHITBORNE to _The Antiquities of Berkshire_ (so miscalled), by Elias Ashmole; where, in treating of Bisham, that learned antiquary has given the inscriptions to the Hoby family as existing _and legible in his time_. It does not appear that Sir Philip Hoby, or Hobbie, Knight, was ever of the Privy Council; but, in 1539, one of the Gentlemen of the Privy Chamber to King Henry VIII. (which monarch granted to him in 1546-7 the manor of Willoughby in Edmonton, co. Middlesex), Sir Thomas Hoby, the brother, and successor in the estates of Sir Philip, was, in 1566, ambassador to France; and died at Paris July 13 in the same year (not 1596), aged thirty-six. The coat of the Hobys of Bisham, as correctly given, is "Argent, within a border engrailed sable, three spindles, threaded in fesse, gules." A grant or confirmation of this coat was made by Sir Edward Bysshe, Clarenceux, to Peregrine Hoby of Bisham, Berks, natural son of Sir Edward Hoby, Nov. 17, 1664. The Bisham family bore no crest nor motto.
H. C. C.
_The Keate Family_ (Vol. viii., pp. 293. 525.)--Should the Query of G. B. B. not be sufficiently answered by the extract from Mr. Burke's _Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England_ relating to the Keate family, as I have a full pedigree of that surname, I may perhaps be able, on application, to satisfy him with some genealogical particulars which are not noticed in Mr. Burke's works.
H. C. C.
_Sir Charles Cotterell_ (Vol viii., p. 564.).--Sir Charles Cotterell, the translator of _Cassandra_, died in 1687. (See Fuller's _Worthies_, by Nuttall, vol. ii. p. 309.)
[Greek: Halieus].
Dublin.
_Huc's Travels_ (Vol. viii., p. 516.).--Not having seen the _Gardener's Chronicle_, in which C. W. B. says the travels of Messrs. Huc and Gabet in Thibet, Tartary, &c. are said to be a pure fabrication, concocted by some Parisian _litterateur_, I cannot know what degree of credit, if any, is to be given to such a statement. All I wish to communicate at present for the information of your Querist C. W. B. is this, that I have read an account and abstract of Messrs. Huc and Gabet's _Travels_ in one of the ablest and best conducted French reviews, _La Revue des Deux Mondes_; in which not the least suspicion of fabrication is hinted, or the slightest doubt expressed as to the genuineness of these _Travels_. Mr. Princep, also, in his work on Thibet, Tartary, &c. quotes largely from Huc's Travel's, and avails himself extensively of the information contained in them with reference to Buddhism, &c.
Should the writer in the _Gardener's Chronicle_ have it in his power to _prove_ the _Travels_ to be a fabrication, he will confer a benefit on the world of letters by unmasking the fabricator.
J. M.
Oxford.
_Pictures at Hampton Court Palace_ (Vol. viii., p. 538.).--In reply to [Phi].'s question when the review of the 10th Light Dragoons by King {20} George III., after the Prince of Wales assumed the command of that regiment, I beg to state that the Prince entered the army as brevet-colonel, Nov. 19, 1782; that the regiment received the title of "The Prince of Wales's own Regiment of Light Dragoons" on Michaelmas Day, 1783: that the regiment was stationed in the south of England and in the vicinity of London for many years, from 1790 to 1803 inclusive; and that King George III. repeatedly reviewed it, accompanied by the queen and the royal family. That the Prince of Wales was appointed Colonel-commandant of the corps in 1793, and succeeded Sir W. A. Pitt as colonel of it in July 18, 1796. That the regiment was reviewed on Hounslow Heath by the King in August, 1799; and the Prince of Wales (who commanded it in person) received his Majesty's orders to convey his Majesty's approbation of its excellent appearance and performance. Perhaps the picture by Sir William Beechey was painted in 1799, and not 1798. I did not find the catalogue at Hampton Court free from errors, when I last visited the palace in October, 1852.
M. A.
Pembroke College, Oxon.
_John Waugh_ (Vol. viii., pp. 271. 400. 525.).--Does KARLEOLENSIS know whether John Waugh, son of Waugh, Bishop of Carlisle, was married, and to whom?
Farther information of the above family would be most acceptable, and thankfully acknowledged, by George Waugh, of the family of the Waughs of Oulton and Lofthouse, Yorkshire.
Exeter.
_Daughters taking their Mothers' Names_ (Vol. viii., p. 586.).--When BURIENSIS asks for instances of this, and mentions "Alicia, daughter of Ada," as an example, is he not mistaking, or following some one else who has mistaken, the _gender_ of the parent's name? _Alicia fil. Adae_ would be rendered "Alice Fitz-Adam," unless there be anything in the context to determine the gender otherwise.
J. SANSOM.
"_Service is no Inheritance_" (Vol. viii., p. 586.).--This proverbial saying has evidently arisen from the old manorial right, under which the lord of the manor claimed suit and service and fealty before admitting the heir to his inheritance, or the purchaser to his purchase. On which occasion, the party admitted to the estate, whether purchaser or heir, "fecit fidelitatem suam et solvit relevium;" the relief being generally a year's rent or service.
ANON.
_Sir Christopher Wren and the young Carver_ (Vol. viii., p. 340.).--If your correspondent A. H. has not already appropriated the anecdote here alluded to, I think I can confidently refer him to any biographical notice of Grindling Gibbons--to whom the story of the "Sow and Pigs" relates. Gibbons was recommended to Sir Christopher by Evelyn, I think; but not having "made a note of it," I am not sure that it is to be found in his _Diary_.[4] If there be any monograph Life of Gibbons, it can scarcely fail to be found there.
M. (2)
[Footnote 4: See Evelyn's _Diary_, vol. ii. pp. 53, 54., edition 1850.--ED.]
_Souvaroff's Despatch_ (Vol. viii., p. 490).--Souvaroff's doggerel despatch from Ismail, immortalised by Byron, is, as usual, misspelt and mistranslated. Allow me to furnish you with what I have never yet seen in English, a correct version of it:
"Slava Bogou, slava Vam; Krepost vziala, ee ya tam."
"Glory to God, glory to You, The fortress is taken, and I am there."
DMITRI ANDREEF.
_Detached Church Towers_ (Vol. viii., p. 63.).--In the lists I have seen no mention is made of the fine tower of West Walton Church, which stands at a distance of nearly twenty yards from the body of the church.
W. B. D.
Lynn.
_Queen Anne's Motto_ (Vol. viii., p. 174.).--The Historical Society of Pennsylvania is in possession of an English coat of arms, painted on wood in the time of Queen Anne, having "Anna R." at the top, and the motto _Semper eadem_ on the scroll below. It probably was in one of the Philadelphia court-rooms, and was taken down at the Revolution.
UNEDA.
Philadelphia.
_Lawyers' Bags_ (Vol. vii. _passim_).--The communication of MR. KERSLEY, in p. 557., although it does not support the inference which COL. LANDMAN draws, that the colour of lawyers' bags was changed in consequence of the unpopularity which it acquired at the trial of Queen Caroline, seems to show that _green_ was at one time the colour of those professional pouches. The question still remains, when and on what occasion it was discontinued; and when the purple, and when the crimson, were introduced?
When I entered the profession (about fifty years ago), no junior barrister presumed to carry a bag in the Court of Chancery, unless one had been presented to him by a king's counsel; who, when a junior was advancing in practice, took an opportunity of complimenting him on his increase of business, and giving him his own bag to carry home his papers. It was then a distinction to carry a bag, and a proof that a junior was rising {21} in his profession. I do not know whether the same custom prevailed in the other courts.
CAUSIDICUS.
In this city (Philadelphia) lawyers formerly carried green bags. The custom has declined of late years among the members of the legal profession, and it has been taken up by journeymen boot and shoe makers, who thus carry their work to and from the workshop. A green bag is now the badge of a cordwainer in this city.
[Old English W].
Philadelphia.
_Bust of Luther_ (Vol. viii., p. 335.).--MR. J. G. FITCH asks for information respecting a bust of Luther, with an inscription, on the wall of a house, in the Dom Platz at Frankfort on the Maine. I have learned, through a German acquaintance, who has resided the greater part of his life in that city, that the effigy was erected to commemorate the event of Luther's having, during a short stay in Frankfort, preached near that spot; and that the words surrounding the bust were his text on the occasion. He adds that Luther at no period of his life "lived for some years" at Frankfort, as stated by MR. FITCH.
ALFRED SMITH.
_Grammar in relation to Logic_ (Vol. viii., pp. 514. 629.).--H. C. K.'s remarks are of course indisputable. But it is a mistake to suppose that they answer my Query. In fact, had your correspondent taken the trouble to consider the meaning of my Query, he could not have failed to perceive that the explanation I there gave of the function of the conjunction _in logic_, is the same as his. My Query had sole reference _to grammar_. I would also respectfully suggest that anonymous correspondents should not impute "superficial views," or any other disagreeable thing, to those who stand _confessed_, without abandoning the pseudonym.
C. MANSFIELD INGLEBY.
Birmingham.
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_Among other interesting communications intended for our present Number, but which we have been compelled by want of space to postpone until next week, are_ MR. GUTCH_'s Paper on_ Griffin and his Fidessa, MR. D'ALTON_'s on_ James II.'s Irish Army List, _and_ DR. DIAMOND_'s on_ The Advantages of Small Photographs.
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W. J. L. _The_ Merry Llyd _or_ Hewid _has already formed the subject of some notices in our columns: see_ Vol. i., pp. 173. 315.; Vol. vi., p. 410. _We should be glad to have any satisfactory explanation of the origin and antiquity of the custom._