Part 18

Now as to the tubercular case. The error we find in the matter of the tubercular case is this: We find a great many cases are diagnosed tubercular when really they are not,—a very bad impression, as you can imagine, to give to any subject. So let us be very sure, let us leave no influence, or power, or activity unused that will help us to define the exact attitude of these cases.

We know, as was related here yesterday, that many of the so-called cases of shell shock are really due to other causes. This is my own observation of those cases, we had a number immediately after the war, at the Institution with which I am connected, and we found a most invariably these men were the subject of the toxemias of fatigue, and by relieving the toxemic conditions, whether it be uremic infection, or what not, these cases soon got well and their mental symptoms soon subsided. So be sure that you be perfectly fair with these men, and you are never fair with them until you have exhausted every resource in discovering whether or not, as the basis of their mental or nervous disturbance, there may not be some physical condition.

The meeting is now in charge of Dr. White.

DR. WHITE: I hope there will be free discussion of this matter. There are a good many men who have had charge of neuro-psychiatric hospitals, and I hope you will feel free to get up and briefly set forth such vital problems as you may have in mind. In order that we may cover as many problems as possible, I will, with your permission, let you know when the five minutes is up, so we can cover the ground as fully as possible.

DR. KOLB: In relation to the examinations made of these neuro-psychiatric cases which were sent to us, I want to outline the procedure we use at Waukesha in arriving at correct diagnosis and methods of treatment. The patient is given to one special doctor. This doctor is supposed to make the first preliminary examination, which included a complete physical, neurological and psychiatric examination, and do all the work in connection with these patients while in hospital. In making this examination we have on our staff a number of very competent attending specialists in order that we can obviate the mistake General Sawyer has mentioned of assuming that these men are simply neurotics and passing over important physical conditions. By this method we have caught a number of cases which have been passed over as cases of neurasthenia. For instance, I have in mind a case diagnosed neurasthenia which was treated six months ago, which was a case of brain tumor.

After we have made the first preliminary examination the man is carefully observed in hospital, not only by his own officer but by the clinical director, and notes are made from time to time. Examinations are also made by the dentist, x-ray examinations and various laboratory examinations, including serological and base metabolism. In the end, after all the data is assembled and written up, he is brought to the staff and there his case is thoroughly discussed by all the members of the staff; a diagnosis is arrived at, methods of treatment discussed and afterwards put into effect.

Now as to the organic conditions with which our neurotics suffer. It is true a large proportion of them do have organic disorders in connection with their neuroses. We find that most of them do have functional disorders originating purely in their mind, or because of some constitutional nervous defect and that the real fundamental condition from which they are suffering is not an organic condition but is nervous or mental and must be approached along lines of psycho-therapy.

Now I will not go into the subject of psycho-therapy. We pay special attention to mental questions but we do not neglect the physical by any means. Every physical disorder which is found is corrected, if correction is possible. We have complete physio-therapy and occupational therapy and all other facilities for treating nervous cases. We are careful never to stress too much on the physical treatment we give these patients, because by so doing we suggest to them conditions they really do not have and by that means prolong their functional disorders.

Regarding occupational therapy. We all know that this is a very important method of treatment. It should always, as Colonel Evans said, be directed treatment and should not be given in a hap-hazard way. All of our occupational therapy treatment has been given a definite prescription. For eighteen months we have had a bright young medical officer interested in this subject, whom we have made reconstruction officer and who observes the effect of treatment and changes the prescriptions of the other physicians when he finds the treatment given does not have the desired effect.

With reference to reconstruction aides, every week our reconstruction officer gives them a talk on some phase either of occupational therapy or physio-therapy or of mental disorders. We cover any subject in which the neuro-psychiatrist should be interested. This officer has devised a system of observation which the aides are supposed to make on patients and which they do make on each patient who takes occupational therapy and which is looked over by our reconstruction officer and the officer in special charge of the case. We are getting up data and statistics which we think will be of interest to the general profession when it is finally published,

DR. TREADWAY: I think that the Public Health Service has had a very grave and serious problem affecting the N.P. Veterans of the World War. We have included in that term, besides the mental and nervous cases, the neuro-surgical cases as well.

There are a number of problems which still confront us, and one of these is the question of personnel. I am sorry that Dr. Kolb did not say something about the training school he had started in connection with his hospital. We sent some young officers over to learn technique and methods of handling the psycho-neurotics. We have also sent some officers to the Public Health Service clinic at the Psychopathic Institute in Boston and we hope that some of our other hospitals will start a similar school. The question of personnel is an exceedingly grave one. A great many young men want to become surgeons.

They are not interested in mental or nervous cases. They want to go into general medicine. Last year we sent two officers to the Southern University and to the Northern and Western universities to meet the graduating classes and the internes, and from that we have been recruiting some younger men who are manifesting considerable interest. We hope to get additional personnel by interesting the young graduate.

Another problem is the question of creating, in connection with General hospitals, wards where patients of this sort may receive at the beginning of their treatment, their preliminary examination, where they may be evacuated home with compensation or without compensation, or evacuated to a prolonged treatment hospital for further care.

It has sometimes been difficult to get enough men, trained personnel, to man these wards.

We have believed all along that the proper method of treating the pyscho-neurotic, so-called, is in out-patient clinic and we have attempted to develop out-patient clinics with the old dispensaries maintained by the Public Health Service; but the question of personnel again entered into it, and we were unable to develop as many out-patients clinics as we should like. We think, however, that the mild, mental case, as General Sawyer has said, is far better off in the outside world than he is in an institution. If such cases go to a hospital, it tends to have their symptoms crystallized and they believe they are sicker than they really are. In other words, they seek out some minor physical disability as a peg on which to hang what they think is a grave disorder.

The question of compensation for these cases is an important one which must be worked out. The man who believes he is seriously ill when he has but a minor defect, if he has compensation and has a weak will, will not make a strenuous effort to get back on his feet. The question of maximum compensation for these cases many times interferes with rehabilitation.

We believe that this is a new method of handling mental patients and it may serve as a copy to other States to prevent this enormous building program which every State has had to go through and which has not met the needs of the insane.

Compensation for epileptics and their examination is a very important question and has been a serious problem to us.

We find among neuroses not infrequently mild convulsions. We don’t know a great deal about these convulsions; some are epileptic and some are not. The true epileptic, however, has great difficulty in making a go in the outside world. The number of convulsions per month is not an indication of his disability, entirely, because the passage of the Employees Compensation Act in the several States, has interfered with the employment of men with an epileptic past.

It is as hard for the man who has a seizure once a month to get a position as the one with four, so the question of treating epileptics is one largely of social service and compensation.

The hospitalization of epileptics has not been a success in the hands of the Public Health Service. One of the Western States that built a large colony for epileptics some years ago has now turned it into an institution for feeble-minded.

The question of vocational training is also a big problem in connection with this type of disability. A man, for example, whom I saw a few weeks ago, had been a jewelry polisher in Boston. Before the war he had to get up every morning early and go to his work. He gave most of his earnings to his family. He was suddenly taken out of that situation by the draft and put into a situation where it was simple for him. All he had to do was to get up and move around when some one told him to. He was furnished with his clothing; he was furnished with his food. When he got over on the other side he painted a rosy picture about how things were at home. When he got back home it was not like what he imagined it was. He had to get up and go back to his old job. It was hard for him to make the effort. He quit his job. He goes to the Vocational people (he had a seventh-grade education). He wants to become a civil-engineer. Obviously he cannot. He tries another occupation, etc. Now the attempt of that man to better his condition is a laudable one, but very often that desire to get away from a difficult situation is a part of his mental disorder. He must be made to understand and meet that problem frankly and not be seeking round-about paths without very much continuity of purpose. Vocational training in connection with epileptics has not been very successful. Dr. Ellison who has had charge of a hospital for epileptics can give us some valuable information on the problems of the epileptics.

I think that Dr. Wilbur, who has had charge of a large station at Chicago, can give us some valuable information about preliminary examinations, the social service aspect of these cases, the need of social service and the handling of the psychoneurotic in out-patient clinics. Dr. Wilbur and Dr. Chronquest can tell us about the problem affecting the insane. Mr. Chairman, I suggest that you call on them.

Dr. ELLISON: I want to say the program as outlined in the afternoon session is one of vital interest to me, because I have been in charge of one of the most problematic Government Institutions in the country, that is, an epileptic hospital in East Norfolk. The administrative program in hospital of this kind, taking into consideration the application of general orders, hospital regulations and internal regulations as within the hospital, is entirely different from any other class of hospital under Federal control.

The very fact that you attempt to apply certain regulations in a hospital of this kind where the morale is naturally at a low ebb, due to the mental phases under which these men are suffering, sometimes results in disaster and the breaking down of the morale you have in the hospital.

I would like to go on record in stating it is my belief that voluntary hospitalization of the epileptic is anything but desirable.

From the standpoint of rehabilitation of the epileptic, I must take into consideration the particular type of epileptic we have in the hospital. As Dr. Treadway stated, the majority of these man have not reached probably the school grade of seven years. There has been an attempt on the part of the rehabilitation department to make lawyers, doctors, diplomats out of these epileptics. It is absurd and cannot be done. These men are social and economic lepers, so far as their rehabilitation is concerned. The communities do not want them. Their families do not want them and the responsibility for their care rests upon the Government. Then what is to be the solution of the disposition of these men? I can see but probably two solutions to the question. Voluntary hospitalisation is out of the question. I believe that that part of the Bureau concerned with the compensation of these men, from an economical standpoint, must take into consideration the question of the grouping of these epileptics. There is a class which can live at home. There is another class, not definitely formidable, which does need custodial care. Then there is the psychiatric epileptic who needs psychopathic institutional care. In arriving at the disposition of these men you must take into consideration those three groups.

Then there is another group, there is a mixed group of epileptics. In many instances we have noted, after a long period of observation, that a man may react to some situation, starting out in a hysterical seizure and wind up in a definite epileptic attack. That has been true in quite a number of cases and I should like to urge upon the Bureau District officers and those concerned, this one thing:

In referring cases to East Norfolk, I think a very careful examination should be made of these men to determine as nearly as possible that they are epileptics.

At East Norfolk there is a situation existing which I have endeavored to correct; that is hospitalizing psycho-neurotics,—neuropsychiatry cases which are not definitely epileptic, which are made worse by contact with the epileptic patient. These men are being made worse every day. Some of them simulate very closely the epileptic; many have learned to bite their tongues as the epileptic does. They should not be hospitalized; about 25% of the cases are not epileptic. I think that should be taken into consideration and a careful survey made of these patients before they are transferred to East Norfolk.

As to these cases, very much the same program is carried out as Dr. Kolb’s. Complete preliminary physical and neurological examinations are made and patients are placed under observation of one man, who observes them and makes notes from time to time. As for the treatment of these men, there is little to be done in a way. I think it resolves itself into occupation mostly. I think the occupational measure as applied to the epileptic is the only solution. I think they should be kept busy every moment, for many reasons. They are naturally fault finding and if they have something to do it will lessen the time they have to think of these things. It will promote interest in their surroundings. It will lessen the liability of deterioration but as the thing now stands that cannot be done, under the present method of hospitalization. The solution covering that is, I believe, for the Government to formulate, properly taking into consideration these districts, and build an epileptic colony, under proper supervision, and I believe from an economic standpoint, it could be made almost self-supporting.

In regard to the medical treatment, we have been instituting at East Norfolk a very careful treatment,—careful observation—to determine the real value of luminol in the treatment of epilepsy and we have found that it has been beneficial in many ways; that it lessens the severity of the shock, prolongs the intervals between shocks and in many instances effects complete cessation; the patient becomes more alert, more active, more interested in his surroundings. This treatment must be continued day after day. If there is a cessation, or lack of it, or a failure or inability on our part to obtain luminol, these men immediately react to the lack of it. I should say we have had at least four deaths at East Norfolk due absolutely to the lack of luminol.

DR. WILBUR: At Chicago we developed a diagnostic clinic at the Marine Hospital and had two departments: in-patient and out-patient departments. We had a capacity for in-patients of about 150. The out-patient department was unlimited and developed to approximately 160 to 175 patients at one time. The in-patient department is divided into five groups for the investigation of cases;

1. Cases which would be immediately transferred to some other hospital as soon as arrangements could be made;

2. Certain disorders taken up under direction of an officer particularly interested in such disorders and investigated as fully as possible;

3. Hyper-thyroidism, following operations, where the pulse is still high. When such cases were sent to us, an attempt was made to stabilize the patient and bring him down to a nearly normal basis so that he could go out and take Federal Board training.

4. Psycho-neurotics.

5. Epileptic and hysterical cases.

I might say that out of every fifteen cases sent in with diagnosis of epilepsy, about twelve or thirteen of them proved, after careful observation for a period of from two to three months, to be hysterical. That was about our ratio on cases sent in.

Our procedure was much like Dr. Kolb’s at Waukesha. The man was given complete physical, neurological, examination first. We had a special consultant who visited the hospital about once a week. After a man had his examination, he was checked as needing further examination in eye, ear, nose and throat, or x-ray,—whatever was indicated in the case, and that was tabulated on the chart and checked against his examination. At the end of that time each ward surgeon prepared a summary of the case and a decision was made as to whether the patient needed a short term of treatment in our own hospital,—we had there occupational therapy and other methods of treatment,—and then be discharged and sent back to his home.

In connection with the in-patient hospital work, we had a committee at the district supervisor’s office made up of one representative at the Bureau of War Risk Insurance, one from the Federal Board, the neuro-psychiatric contact officer and one representative from the Public Health Service. We tried to place the men in some definite schedule,—the Federal Board, if possible, after he was discharged from the hospital, and we would bring our problem cases to this meeting, where they would be taken up and such arrangements made for their further treatment as necessary. The contact man visited the station once or twice a week to familiarize himself with the problems of each man.

The out-patient department was naturally on a different schedule; that is, certain hours of the day were set aside and definite offices assigned to the out-patient department; they kept track of their own patients, who reported in at intervals of two or three times a week, every two or three weeks, according to the needs of the case. If the man needed some special treatment, he came into the hospital for that treatment and at the same time he saw this ward surgeon and talked the case over with him. Just as soon as that patient was ready for vocational training, he was put into touch with our contact officer and a schedule was made out for him.

In regard to the vocational training for epileptics, a great many cases during the year I was at Chicago, came up to that board for consideration. We tried the epileptic at various occupations; kept him away from machinery so as no injury would come to him, and we succeeded in rehabilitating only two epileptics out of the whole group. These two were given positions in factories that were owned or governed by some relative or friend who had taken an interest in then, disregarding the compensation laws and disregarding the inability of the men to work when they would have a seizure. In two instances only have we succeeded in putting men into training where it proved a success.

DR. MCLAKE: I represent the National Sanitorium in Marion, Indiana. Presume all of you have heard more or less about it. It was organized about a year ago; opened on the first of January as a sanitorium. During the past year we have cared for about 1500 patients. The present Census is 800.

Now this institution was opened under a provision that it was to be used for the hospitalization of reasonably curable cases. In other words, it was not to be an asylum. It was not a place for merely domiciliary residence or custodial care. The needs of hospitalization, however, this year, have been such that we have taken all sorts of cases. As this has been a matter of discussion for many hospitals and in many districts, I want to take half a minute to show you that during the past year and at the present time, I am hospitalizing at Marion nearly every variety of n.p. case which we have.

Up to the present time we have had no special accommodation whatsoever for n.p.-t.b. patients. Our institution is built on the cottage plan and in the preliminary survey and construction no provision was mode for t.b. patients. However, at the present time I have one ward which is filled with eleven of these cases. I may say in this connection that we are expecting to build a t.b.-n.p. unit of eighty beds and will start construction in about five or six months, which will be gratifying to you men who have these combined cases and would like to unload them and as soon as we can take these cases off your hands we will be glad to do so.

In that connection I want to emphasize one thing: that in your general hospitals and in your t.b. hospitals you get many cases toward the end of this t.b. condition, which present n.p. symptoms. Now I know from experience at Fort Bayard and in other t.b. sanitoriums, especially at Fort Bayard, where I was associated several years with Colonel Burke, that these patients become exceedingly troublesome and exceedingly annoying. However, if you are perfectly frank with yourself and perfectly frank with the n.p. man, you will admit that these cases are not primarily n.p. cases, but cases of terminal toxemia. I don’t believe myself that these cases should be hospitalized as n.p. I believe in your t.b. hospitals you should set aside a ward or two or three wards where you can take care of your terminal toxemias whose symptoms are principally mental; they should not be unloaded on the n.p. hospitals which are built and equipped for reasonably curable cases of n.p. disease.

As to what General Sawyer said about many of these n.p. cases living outside. I want to most heartily indorse that attitude, and I will say in that connection that during the past year I have turned out between two and three hundred men because I firmly believe in that view. My method for turning out these n.p. cases is as follows:

After a final conference on a man after preliminary observation, if we feel that he has come to the point where he should be given a chance, we give that man a thirty-day parole. If he has a guardian, his guardian must report every ten days. If he has not a guardian he is placed in communication with the Veterans’ Bureau officer, or a Red Cross worker in the District, in which he is paroled.